DIRECTOR ASPLEN: If I could just draw your attention to -- you received, at some point in time today, a one-page reference guide to what the folks in the Inspector General's office are doing in terms of their audit of the CODIS. They've been kind enough to remain and if you have any questions about what they're doing, please stop by and talk to them about it.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: And if they'd like to make a statement during the public session, that would be fine. We are now open to any public discussion. Go to a microphone and state your name, please. Thank you.

MS. WALLACE: My name is Marcia Wallace and I do work with the Justice Department, Inspector General's office. We are just beginning an audit, we started last week. We worked with Steve Nasgoda at the FBI last week.

Since we are beginning the audit, I know some of you are from the laboratory environment, we'd be interested in anything that -- any guidance you could give us on parts of CODIS that would be beneficial for us to look at.

Our focus is very narrow. We're looking at the overall implementation of CODIS. So any comments you have would be appreciated.

We might look at the grant end of it, but, again, from a program based aspect.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Thank you. And you're from Denver?

MS. WALLACE: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Are there any other public comments? We've heard from some people during our sessions, but speak now.

[No response.]

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Hearing none.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: Chief, the issue of the next meeting needs to be addressed.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Yes.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: It was tentatively scheduled -- is tentatively scheduled for the end of July. A number of people have indicated that they may be taking well deserved vacations around that time and will not be available.

I personally feel very pleased about the progress that was made, especially this morning, in terms of generating things that do need to be forwarded to the Attorney General.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: How do people feel about the end of August, before Labor Day?

DR. FORMAN: We have one meeting scheduled for that already, a working group meeting.

MS. WILSON: The next full Commission meeting was tentatively scheduled for September 25 and 26.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: Full Commission?

MS. WILSON: Full Commission.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: That's a Saturday and Sunday.

MS. WILSON: We thought that was going to be the last meeting, so we were going to have a three-day meeting.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: May I suggest, again, that we send out calendars and people mark the dates they can't come and we should try and meet between now and the end of September, at the latest. Is that agreeable?

COMMISSIONER SMITH: It's more than agreeable. I'm just wondering whether that means we're not going to meet again before the submission to the Attorney General.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: That is, because we will submit the letter concerning the practicality. And that, in effect --

COMMISSIONER SMITH: That satisfies the obligation.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Yes. We are viewing it as satisfying the obligation, at the moment. By the time we are told it's not satisfying the obligation, it will be September.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: I will tell you it will be very difficult to do that on time, by the time we get filings done that we need to get done in advance, get it through the system. The likelihood of is being able to meet in July, any sooner than what is currently scheduled, is very slim.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Okay. We should put that down as potential dates and see what the number of people who can come.

DR. FORMAN: That's Sunday and Monday.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: And any idea where? Boston. Actually, I have to be in Boston the 27th through the 30th.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: There we go. We got one.

COMMISSIONER SMITH: If it were in September, is that Boston, also?

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: It could be, I suppose.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: When is the next legal issues working group? I still have a June 7th meeting in San Francisco.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: We have one on the sixth in San Francisco.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Why don't we send out calendars anyway, then we know what the numbers are. Then we should meet when we get the maximum numbers. That's okay?

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: Yes. It sounds like we may just be jumping to the September meeting, but that would not be a horrible thing. Obviously, the working groups will continue working also in generating their reports.

COMMISSIONER GAHN: And, Chris, will you let us know when you have the working group for the development of the Kentucky University people?

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: Yes.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: That's probably going to be -- there is a working group meeting scheduled the 28th and 29th of June, I think.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: In Washington.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: In Washington.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: okay. That's very important, because these working group papers are the context of the Commission meetings.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: Is that the right date, the 28th and 29th of June?

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: For the next crime scene group.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: I have the NIJ crime scene group.

MS. WILSON: Yes.

COMMISSIONER BASHINSKI: And that's in Washington? We don't know where. Somewhere coastal and cool. Monterey.

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: I'm sure we'll get the government rate a lot in Monterey.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Anything else to come before the Commission? Chris?

DIRECTOR ASPLEN: The only thing I would have is my continuing thanks to, first of all, all the Commissioners for taking their time out, not just here, but the working group meetings and the individual work that they do, but then perhaps most of all to Robin and Lisa. This doesn't happen without Robin and Lisa.

CHAIRPERSON ABRAHAMSON: Agreed. Robin, Lisa, anything else to come? No? Okay. With that, the Commission meeting is adjourned and it's 11:45, on my watch.

[Whereupon, at 11:45 a.m., the meeting was concluded.]

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